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Welcome to the official blog for the official podcast for Triumvir Clio’s School of Classical Civilization (available wherever fine podcasts are found).  I’m Beth, AKA Triumvir Clio, seen here with my favorite tyrant.  When I was a sophomore at Loyola University Chicago, my friend Maria and I took a class called “Epics and Classical Heroes” and it was so much fun that we both declared second majors in classical civilization as we entered our junior years.  By the time we were seniors, there were three women in the department, Maria, our friend JJ, and me.  We dubbed ourselves the new triumvirate and adopted names from ancient Greece.  Since my first major was history, I chose Clio, the muse of history.  Since getting that degree, I have returned to the works that we studied because I love them, and I’m looking forward to sharing that love with you.

So what will we cover at Triumvir Clio’s School of Classical Civilization?  Well, classical civilization, obviously.  Comedy and Tragedy.  Epics.  Philosophy.  History.  But here’s the easy part:  You don’t have to know Latin or Greek.  I don’t.  Or at least not enough to read everything in the original.  My degree is in classical civilization, which did not require us to learn the languages to appreciate the material.  And even though some translations are better than others, you don’t have to read any specific version.  Read what you can find.  Buy if you want to, in which case you should look for a translator who lived during dates you might remember, or check the books out from your library, or download them from Project Gutenberg or another free online source.  Do be aware that Project Gutenberg will likely mean an old translation, but you should still be able to understand what you’re reading.  I’ll always let you know whose translation I am using.  

Now, I know you’re asking why this matters.  The short answer is that it’s fun.  I wouldn’t have gotten this degree if that epics class hadn’t been so much fun.  But it’s about more than that.  There’s a reason that we’re still reading works that are nearly 3000 years old.  They speak to us.  The ancient tragedies teach us about human foibles while the comedies show that humor has not changed over the millennia.  The epics tell outward stories of inward journeys.  History shows us the seeds of the world in which we live today and patterns of which we should be aware as we work to change the future.  The philosophers give us new ways to view the world.  Classical civilization is not just one discipline.  It contains all of the humanities.  Sure, it is fun.  And as we’re having fun, we’re learning something more, something encompassed in that overarching term for these fields.  Humanities.  It is by studying the humanities that we learn a little more about ourselves, our place in the world, and what it means to be a human today.

I hope you will enjoy listening to me share my thoughts on classical civilization and that you will be inspired to join the discussion here on this blog.

Greek Myth LIX: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Epitome, Chapter II – Tantalus, Pelops, Atreus, or What’s a Little Cannibalism Among Family?

You get to eat a kid! And you get to eat a kid! And you get to eat a kid!

Discussion Prompts

  1. Tell the story from Hippodamia’s perspective.
  2. Aegisthus… Discuss.
  3. What does this chapter tell us about lines of succession?
  4. What does this chapter tell us about cannibalism?
  5. What part of this chapter stands out to you? Why?

Greek Myth LVIII: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Epitome, Chapter I – Theseus Continued, or On the Road (to Athens)

When we last left Theseus, he was on the road to Athens. When we meet Theseus today, he’s still on the road to Athens.

Discussion Prompts

  1. This chapter covers several stories. Which one do you wish had more detail? Why?
  2. In other sources, we’ve seen more of Phaedra, Helen, and Medea. Incorporating the details, such as they are, from this source, write your own version of one of their stories.
  3. Dionysis. Discuss. (another relevant word that starts with D…)
  4. Why the tangent about Hera and Zeus?
  5. How do you think Ariadne feels about her outcome in life?

Greek Myth LVII: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XVI – Theseus, or His Adventure Begins

Well, that was a short chapter…

Seriously. Two very short paragraphs. Hard to come up with many discussion prompts from this…

Discussion Prompts

  1. What do you think of Theseus so far?
  2. Why an iron club?
  3. Heracles vs Theseus: Compare/contrast. If you can. This was a short chapter.
  4. Is there anything else that stands out to you in this chapter?

Greek Myth LVI: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XV – Cephalus, Oreithyia, Eumolpus, Aegeus, or Crete is Busy

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark… or at least on the island of Crete.

Discussion Prompts

  1. Which of these stories do you wish we had another perspective on?
  2. If you were Pasiphae, how would you choose to curse Minos?
  3. Comparative Mythology – Stories about hair. What do they have in common? How are they different? What does this tell us about our relationship with hair? And… go!
  4. How do you picture the concept of sending wild beasts after someone’s joints?

Greek Myth LV: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XIV – Cecrops, Adonis, Tereus & Procne, Eirchthonius, or Learning How to Share

Everything the gods need to know they should have learned in kindergarten.

Discussion Prompts

  1. Sharing. Is it good or bad? What evidence from this chapter supports your selection?
  2. Retell the Adonis story from the perspective of Persephone.
  3. What does Tereus deserve? Why?
  4. The dog has a name. Why do you think that is? Retell the story of Icarius from Maera’s perspective.
  5. What other theme or themes do you find in this chapter?

Greek Myth LIV: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XIII – Peleus & Thetis 

Peleus gets around!!

Discussion Prompts

  1. What’s the deal with Greek heroes killing people?
  2. What does the threat of Thetis say about Greek culture?
  3. What word/phrase would you use to describe the relationship between Achilles and Patroclus? Why?
  4. What part of this chapter stands out to you? Why?

Greek Myth LIII: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XII – Dardanus, Ilus, Priam, Aeacus, Telamon, or a Brief History of Troy

I swear this chapter really is about more than Cassandra.

Discussion Prompts

  1. Were Trojans really that pretty? (see Ganymede, Tithonus, Paris…)
  2. Pelops is still causing trouble. Discuss.
  3. Which character do you wish was covered in more detail in this story? Why?
  4. What do you think of Cassandra?

And just because, I’ll also leave this here:

Did I mention that I love Cassandra?

Greek Myth LII: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter XI – Dioscuri, or Twin Time

For famous twins, they don’t get much screentime in the Bibliotheca…

Discussion Prompts

  1. Castor or Pollux? Why?
  2. Discuss liminality as seen in the Dioscuri.
  3. How do you think Helen feels about her brothers? Or Clytaemestra for that matter?
  4. Are Geminis liminal like the Dioscuri?
  5. What are your favorite stories about the Dioscuri (from this source or another one)? Why?

Greek Myth LI: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter X – Pleiades, Hermes, Coronis, Asclepius, Leda, Suitors of Helen, or How Much Can One Chapter Meander?

Our author takes us from Hermes to Helen in today’s episode.

Discussion Prompts

  1. Do you think Odysseus really believes the suitors’ oath will work? Or is it just his way of getting Penelope?
  2. Who do you think Helen’s mom is? Why?
  3. What did the tortoise ever do to Hermes?
  4. Why a winnowing fan? What other places do you know of a winnowing fan appearing in Greek mythology?
  5. What is your favorite of the stories covered in this chapter? Why?

Greek Myth L: Pseudo-Apollodorus’s Bibliotheca Book III, Chapter IX – Auge, Atalanta, or The Wedding Race 

Atalanta outsmarts many suitors in today’s episode.

As promised, for your viewing pleasure:

Discussion Prompts

  1. Why do you think Atlanta loses the race?
  2. How on earth did Atalanta find her parents?
  3. How common do you think the name Atalanta was? Why?
  4. How would you retell the stories in today’s episode?
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